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 Post subject: Consistency is More Important Than Eating Raw Foods
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:42 pm 
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In my opinion, eating consistently is one of the key ingredients for health and longevity. When I say eating consistently, I don't mean sticking to a 100% Raw Food Diet or a Whole Food Diet, always. I mean eating the same kinds and quantities of food every single day, no matter what type of diet you eat. For example, one person could be on a 100% Raw Food Diet eating three times a day one day, seven times a day the next day, once the next day, five times the following day and so on. Or someone else could be eating 16 ounces of food (not necessarily raw), twice a day with the same amount of fats and carbs in each of those meals, EVERY SINGLE DAY.

If you start to look at people who live past the century mark, they tend to have a daily regimen where they eat the same kinds and quantities of food every single day. For example, Dr. Norman Walker stated in his book 'Become Younger' that he had eaten the SAME EXACT breakfast every single day for the last 12 years up to writing that book, and he lived to be around 100 years old.

Consistently eating the same kinds and quantities of food every day, doesn't need to effect your ability to eat a wide variety of nutrients, because you can still eat a wide variety of food. For example, you can eat 16oz of food each day, which includes a certain percentage of carbs, protein, fat, vegetables and so on. The 16oz quantity and the percentages of different macro-nutrients/foods can all stay the same, while at the same time you can switch the kind of nut, vegetable, fruit or fat sources that you eat in that 16oz of food each day. Therefore, you are getting a wide variety of food, while at the same time ingesting the same kinds and quantities of food every single day.

What amount of food do I need, to eat a consistent diet?

This is determined by the kinds and quantities of food that you have been eating for the last years of your life. Your body adapts to being able to handle the foods you consistently consume. Your body works to adapt to any conditions you expose it to, while at the same time trying to live for the longest duration it can. Therefore, it is always trying to push you forward to eat less and less food, wherever possible, and your consistent diet will be defined by the lesser amount of food consumed within your daily regimen. Your consistent diet is the amount of food that provides you the most energy; when you eat this way, you still feel a bit hungry after each meal and also at the end of the day there is a touch of hunger too. For most people, this means ingesting less than you are eating now, unless you are in a spiritually 'strong willed' process of systematically undereating. Again, your body is always trying to live as long as possible, so it prefers for your consistent diet to involve the least amount of food possible; so your body sets your consistent diet to the least amount of food it possibly can, which is most likely a certain percentage under your daily intake.

Why is consistency so KEY for long-term health?

During the course of our busy modern lives, most people seem to mindlessly eat thoughout the day, overlapping meals, and over-eating. The boundaries are consistently being pushed beyond the consistent diet that our bodies would prefer to eat. It seems to me that the various long-lived people worldwide have one thing in common, which is a daily regimen. They eat their consistent diet, day in and day out. I heard of one man, for example, who is 108 years of age right now and he always has one piece of toast in the morning for breakfast. His lunch and dinner are also comprised of the same kinds and quantities of foods. He never goes above and beyond his regular quantities of food.

There is a certain 'elastic-like' boundary analogy that I like to use in regards to our consistent diets. Imagine a large elastic-like boundary all around you. When you are eating your consistent diet, this elastic-like boundary is limp and it barely taxes your body at all. The more you eat, the more that elastic-like boundary stretches away from your consistent diet. The more it stretches, the more it taxes your body and the more you will age. Most of us seem to nearly always play in that area where the elastic-like boundary is pretty stretched out, which means that we are eating more than an ideal consistent diet for us. This taxes the body and speeds up the aging process. If you push too far away from your consistent diet, this elastic boundary might even SNAP.

An extreme example of this might be the following... a person who is 300 pounds can handle eating a lot more than someone who weighs 125 pounds. These two people have completely different consistent diets. It may even actually kill the 125 pound person if they ate the same amount of food that the 300lb person eats in one day! The 300lb person has adapted to their consistent diet over time and the amount of food they eat on any given day impacts them in a more subtle way than if the 125lb person partook in the 300lb daily regimen for the first time.

Hopefully you can see how each person has their own consistent diet, depending on their past habits over the years. Eating the same kinds and quantities of food each and every day will age you the least. However, we are generally going back and forth between our boundaries of a consistent diet and over-eating. Besides social aspects being a reason for over-eating, such as dinners with friends and family, I feel that a VICIOUS CYCLE also often comes into play... Are you guys ready for this one?

When we eat above and beyond our consistent diet, we don't necessarily feel well and we may be plagued with gas, bloating, a runny nose and other possible symptoms. This 'low-energy' feeling often gives us the WILL to take ACTION and eat less food, which may possibly even be at the level of our consistent diet. When we eat this consistent diet, we feel GREAT! However, after many days of eating this consistent diet, your body may want to take advantage of this and shift to the next level. Again, your body wants to live for the longest duration possible, so it 'nudges' you to eat and require less food. One result of this is that your body may throw you in a state of detoxification, which makes you 'cleaner' at a cellular level.

When you become 'cleaner', your body becomes more efficient and you require less food to maintain high energy levels. When your body starts to go through this detoxification, you may become bloated and also experience the release of older, more-concentrated toxins that have accumulated in the body over decades. These toxins that are being expelled from your body as gas may have a 'hot', 'acid' feeling, which almost burns, and maybe smells harsher than any other substance that has left your body in the past. Additionally, this detox process can lead to cravings and emotional disturbance. This may feel so uncomfortable that you go back to eating above and beyond your consistent diet once again, which in turn stops the harsh detoxification, stimulates you and helps make you feel euphoric.

Then we might continue to over-eat for weeks on end, until we get to that point again of feeling stuffed, bloated, and low in energy. Then the vicious cycle starts over again...and again... As you continue to bounce back and forth like this, however, over time your body can gain a little ground, get a little cleaner, and your food requirements can become lessened. In terms of the 'elastic-like' boundary analogy, when you become cleaner, this elastic-like boundary will become tighter, and if you continue to overeat the same amounts as you did in the past, you may be pushing that elastic-like boundary a bit further. Therefore, when you next hit the same low point of over-eating as last time, the 'negative' feelings around this overeating are a bit more exasperated, because your body has edged forward again a little more in the interim and you require less food again now. Additionally, you will continue to age more and more rapidly, each time you push yourself to that same level of over-eating. This is all a slow process, yet over time, this is the pattern that happens if we don't choose to eat consistently. For some, eating simple cooked foods (avoiding processed foods), is easier to maintain on a consistent basis than eating raw. I feel that this is one reason why cooked food eaters often do better in the long-run, compared to people who may be eating raw, yet not balanced and eating consistently.

In conclusion, one of the keys to longevity is to commit to and follow a consistent diet, day in and day out, which in turn will help you to age less rapidly. When and if you ever embark on a 100% Raw Food Diet, this represents a HUGE change in intake for most people and it can take years of detoxification until your body catches up with what you are eating and you can stabilize out. This is why raw food newbies tend to eat 'all over the place' if they dive into a 100% Raw Food Diet, yet they can still experience benefits from the healthier food choices. At first, new raw food eaters usually start to go through massive regeneration and quite a long process of becoming younger. However, if the raw foodist doesn't at some point adopt a daily consistent diet, in the long-run it will catch up with them and they will probably not experience living to the century mark or beyond. It's not necessarily eating 100% Raw Food that is key to longevity; more importantly, I feel it is about eating a consistent diet and not pushing at the boundaries of over-eating. If you can do both 100% Raw while at the same time consistently eating the same kinds and quantities of food, then the limits are endless...!

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 Post subject: Re: Consistency is More Important Than Eating Raw Foods
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:26 pm 
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Bravo Muna, excelenta postare!

Imo, este infinit mai util sa (incercam macar sa) fim 100% sinceri cu noi insisi si cu ceilalti.
Eu mi-am pus o intrebare la care n-am gasit raspuns pana acum, care e ideea din spatele lui 100% raw? Sa fiu 100% raw ca sa ce? Care ar fi scopul?
- sa respect o teorie publicata de x y z? si demolata de n o p? Si reconfirmata de a b c? si respulberata de f g h? Si confirmata de propria mea practica? Si demolata de propria mea practica? Stiinta, la ora actuala, nu are mare idee despre functionalitatea corpului uman in ansamblu. Putem scrie 7 referate despre 3 celule si cam asta e tot. Eu am exemplu in familie, frati-miu, e un geniu logic si matematic, capabil probabil sa demonstreze teorema lui Fermat "de la zero" dar in real e un obez caruia ii e frica sa se suie pe cantar pentru a nu se confrunta cu kilogramele si incapabil de a relationa eficient cu fiinte umane.
- sa traiesc 1500 ani? Sau 2200 daca am buna purtare? Nu cred in asa ceva, in opinia mea, nimic nu este etern. Cu atat mai putin un amarat de corp fizic. Sint perfect constient ca voi ajunge hoit, mai devreme sau mai tarziu, pot sa stau si-n cap. Sau in ketoza :D. Bhairava spunea despre importanta studiului. De acord, dar parca si mai importanta este practica. Degeaba stii daca nu aplici in viata de zi cu zi, indiferent de circumstante, prielnice sau potrivnice. Iar dieta, imo, este un mic patratel de colorat in the big picture. Mai importante mi se par a invata sa respir si sa ma misc. Eforturile mele, in ultima vreme, s-au indreptat in aceasta directie. Nu c-as fi inregistrat progrese iesite din comun, dar insist, dupa puterile mele, in aceste 2 directii.

"Norocosii" centenarieni (si 110+), ale caror exemple personale, idei si pareri le citim, sint tot ceea ce avem in materie de 'dovezi' indubitabile. Orice altceva sint pure teorii, fictiuni sau proiectii ale propriilor dorinte si viziuni de moment, nimic mai mult.

Revenind la consistenta, da, in domeniul 'educatiei fizice' se aplica ad litteram. Atat si nimic mai mult, fara chestii complicate, fara mega teorii, fara strategii cincinale, fara programe complexe, fara periodizari. E suficient sa faci 3 kk-turi de flotari si 3 kkt-uri de tractiuni niste zeci de ani si la 70 de ani vei arata si vei performa WoW!

O zi frumoasa tuturor si spor la treaba!

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atita timp cit nu renunti la jeg, NU-TI PIERZI ADAPTARILE LA JEG.
sau, poetic spus, atita timp cit intr-un butoi cu unt de cocos pui FIE SI O SINGURA LINGURITA DE CACAT, ala NU mai este unt de cocos.

dar n-ai cum sa te convingi atita timp cit continui sa-ti gasesti motive ca sa n-o faci. nuff said.

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"raw food" este un termen general. daca azi esti pe ketoza si maine frutarian ti-ai ratat biletul spre longevitate. asta ar trebui sa se inteleaga din acel mesaj. evident ca exemplul cu felia de paine a fost dat pentru contrast. si normal ca fiecare intelege ce vrea sa inteleaga... aka isi cauta justificarile de care are nevoie pt a fi ceea ce vrea sa fie.

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Cu sau fara biscuitele de dimineata mie ideea articolului mi se pare destul de clara, si anume nu incerca sa sustii in mod artificial ceva ce nu poti mentine pe termen lung - aka pe viata - de dragul teoriilor in care crezi intr-un anumit moment al existentei.
Eu nu caut motive sa si nici nu incerc sa conving pe nimeni ca face bine sau rau. In ceea ce ma priveste, daca va fi sa ard in iadul non longevitatii pentru ca a am mancat 2 mere de dimineata, imi asum asta, iadule, pick me. :)
Muna, mi se pare firesc sa intelgem diferit ORICE. Altfel, discutiile n-ar mai avea rost si forumul s-ar transforma intr-unul de tip religios, "asta e calea unica, urmeaz-o sau te vei cai".

Cred ca este evident ca in privinta acestui subiect putem vorbi acum cate in luna si in stele, nu e de prea mare folos. Concluzii mai pertinente putem trage abia peste vreo 15 ani de practica a ceea ce predicam.

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Bhairava, acum 2178 de ani cand eram copil de varsta frageda, am vazut un film pe alb-negru, intre 2 telejurnale si la tvr1 ofc, in care era vorba despre un copil bolnav de nu stiu ce boala rara care, pentru a supravietui, era obligat sa traisca intr-un mediu complet steril. Baiatul traia practic intr-o colivie, intr-un glob de sticla.
Exemplul tau cu gramul de antibiotic care contamineaza un tir de miere bio nu se aplica aici. Atata vreme cat actualmente si in mod cat se poate de concret traim intr-un loc oarecare pe terra si nu intr-un glob de sticla, nici in Final Fantasy XIV, si nici nu sintem primii si unicii colonisti ai unei noi, virgine si ultra prietenoase planete, avem nevoie de mult hulitele ADAPTARI LA JEG.
Ca vrei sau nu vrei, esti conectat la tot felul de jeg. Asta in cazul in care n-ai inventat intre timp un butoi al lui Diogene inchis ermetic. :P

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transformarea brusca in ceasornicar (nu poti controla toate moleculele pe care le respiri) nu schimba esenta problemei, si anume faptul ca LIPSA DE COLOANA VERTEBRALA nu face decit sa creeze UN OBICEI care ne va transforma in final tot destinul. la fel cum PREZENTA coloanei vertebrale, va face exact acelasi lucru, dar in directie opusa. fie si din acest motiv (avantajele psihice) avem tot interesul de a manifesta o atitudine talibana, mai ales in probleme legate de substante potential datatoare de dependenta (vezi discutia cu receptorii opioizi, etc).

sigur ca e bine sa fim sinceri si sa RECUNOASTEM atunci cind NU SINTEM CAPABILI sa ne controlam propria viata. insa in acest caz, util ar fi sa NE FRUSTREZE asta, si in consecinta sa NE ANTRENAM PINA REUSIM. in nici un caz atitudinea de molusca nu este justificabila prin sinceritate - sinceritatea este premergatoare deciziei de a adopta o atitudine sau alta. decizia ulterioara este insa, cea care ne face viata (te resemnezi, sau lupti cu rahatul din tine, fie el si la nivel psihic). jmo.

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Am pornit de la articol si am ajuns tot la ale noastre. :D

Stresul e bun, atata timp cat nu e continuu.
Atitudinea talibana & starea de vigilenta practicate permanent nu sint cheia longevitatii, ci exact opusul.
In sport exista conceptul numit Periodization. De ce? Pentru ca este pur si simplu imposibil sa te antrenezi non stop, 365 de zile pe an cu aceeasi intensitate si sa ai rezultate. Asta ar fi unul dintre motive, exista si altele, desigur.

Sa ne imaginam o situatie comuna de viata. Molusca si vertebrata se plimba prin padure. La un moment dat le apare in fata un cires cocosat de cirese coapte. Ce face molusca? Incapabila de control si resemnata, incepe sa haleasca niste cirese. Ce face vertebrata? Trece mai departe, evident. Nu fara efort, s-a luptat cu rahatul din ea si a invins, pentru ca are coloana. Si antrenament. Apoi isi da 2-3 bice pe spate pentru ca i-a trecut prin cap sa muste din fructul oprit.

Ei bine, mie practica asta de autoflagelare continua, antrenament cum il numesti tu, imi pare mult mai daunatoare pe termen lung decat ingerarea ocazionala si in cantitati de bun simt a "substantelor potential datatoare de dependenta".
Orice potential beneficiu al unei ipotetice renuntari totale la jeg este surclasat in efecte de teroarea autoimpusa, de autoinvinovatirea devenita stil de viata.

Alta chestie, nu inteleg motivul pentru care ar dori cineva control TOTAL, in cel mai mic amanunt, a orice, inclusiv a propriei vieti. Asta inseamna in cel mai pur sens sa fii ceasornicar, sa vrei sa controlezi fiecare kkt de rotita minuscula din ceea ce crezi tu ca inseamna angrenajul.

Lupta pentru control total este din start sortita esecului, din fericire. Pentru ca altfel ar exista daune colaterale ireparabile. Victorie a la Pirus. E ca si cum ti-ai taia penisul ca sa scapi de dorinta sexuala. Foarte posibil sa fi existat asemenea oameni, dar in final nu cred ca au fost multumiti de rezultat.

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Torin wrote:
Eu mi-am pus o intrebare la care n-am gasit raspuns pana acum, care e ideea din spatele lui 100% raw? Sa fiu 100% raw ca sa ce? Care ar fi scopul?


Pai atunci te intreb si eu? Sa fii consistent cu cireasa ca sa ce? Care e scopul? De ce te intereseaza consistenta? Ca oricum vei ajunge "hoit" si daca tot nu crezi in etern pt ce sa-ti chinui mintea inca 50 de ani (sau cat mai ai de trait) cu intrebarile astea? De ce sa nu dai "close romaniaraw torin account" chiar acum? Ai o singura viata pe pamantu asta care mai e si scurta, iar tu pierzi timpu pe forumu asta de kkt plin de idioti cu probleme existentiale, in loc sa stai cu baietii la bar la o bericica... la o saorma.. la o cireasa.. (constant evident) medium48
De ce decizi sa pierzi juma de ora zilnic pe forumu asta? Care e scopul?

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Oho, bine ca mi-ai raspuns la intrebare .... printr-un intreg Quiz.
Decizia de a manca cirese este o ALEGERE constienta si relaxata. Scopul este acela de a nu acumula frustrari peste frustrari peste frustrari care, in opinia mea, sint mai toxice pentru organismul meu decat zaharul din cireasa. E simplu, folosesc o scala a relelor. Zaharul din 100g de cirese e undeva in partea de jos a "raului", e LEAST WORSE choice.
Bun, acum probabil intrebi de ce nu gandesc si actionez similar si in cazul unui cheeseburger sau unui hot-dog. Pentru ca nu am nici cea mai mica dorinta sa mananc un cheeseburger, nu ma tenteaza deloc, nu ma deranjeaza deloc daca de maine dispare cu totul de pe planeta intreaga industrie de hamburgeri. Si n-am sa omit aspectul ca pe propria scala a "relelor" cheeseburgerul este cotat binisor mai sus decat cireasa.
Si nu mereu am chef de cirese! Dar cand am chef, mananc (stiu, discutia receptorii opioizi). In contextul prezentat mai sus, nu am gasit pana in prezent o motivatie solida, puternica si care sa vina din INTERIOR care sa ma faca sa-mi directionez stoicismul (am si asa ceva) in directia dezvatului de mancat cirese.
Asta e capacitatea mea actuala si modul meu de a balansa lucrurile. Pentru altcineva poate ciresele (si orice alt fruct sau amidonos) sint complet neinspirationale, trece pe langa ele ca pe langa un rahat de oaie = SI = nu are niciun fel de problema pe termen lung legata de mazilirea completa a carbo. Nu pot sa zic decat bravo lui. Torin la inceput de an 2013 nu are aceasta capabilitate. Dar daca acel altcineva are probleme, concrete si deranjante, si le pune mereu pe seama "adaptarii incomplete", abordarea asta nu mi se pare deloc in regula.

Da, voi ajunge "hoit". Dar nu acum! Nu azi, nu maine, mai e pana atunci. Si in intervalul ACUM -> HOIT, lung, scurt, cat o fi, imi pun in practica propriul plan, propriile idei. Asa cum sint ele, bune sau proste, corecte sau gresite, strategice sau puerile, sint ale mele si prefer sa merg pe mana mea.

De ce sa dau "close romaniaraw torin account"? Trebuie? :P Care ar fi scopul?!
Pe forum am gasit si gasesc informatii utile care ma inspira si care ma ajuta in transformare. Avand si cont inregistrat consider ca pot contribui si eu cu cate ceva folositor unuia sau altuia. Evident, nu tuturor, asa ceva e imposibil.
Am si eu griji, probleme, dileme. Ca oricine.

Bhairava, ai legatura, sa ne respui ca pe forum se discuta/combat idei, nu persoane. action3

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